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SAE J1939 And The Challenging Migration From Classical CAN To CAN FD and CAN XL

Posted by Wilfried Voss on

SAE J1939 Serial Control And Communications Vehicle Network

The  Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) Truck and Bus Control and Communications Subcommittee has developed a family of standards concerning the design and use of devices that transmit electronic signals and control information among vehicle components. SAE J1939 and its companion documents have quickly become the accepted industry standard and the vehicle network of choice for off-highway machines in applications such as construction, material handling, mass transportation, forestry machines, agricultural machinery, maritime and military applications.

SAE J1939 is a higher-layer protocol based on Controller Area Network (CAN). It provides serial data communications between microprocessor systems (also called Electronic Control Units - ECU) in any kind of heavy-duty vehicles. The messages exchanged between these units can be data such as vehicle road speed, torque control message from the transmission to the engine, oil temperature, and many more.

With the emergence of newer CAN Bus technologies, SAE struggles with the migration from Classical CAN to CAN FD, which was introduced in 2013. To worsen matters, another extended protocol is in the works: CAN XL.

CAN FD (Flexible Data Rate)

Back in 2011, Bosch, the creator of the CAN Bus technology, started the development of CAN FD (Flexible Data Rate), which allows higher transmission rates and extended data frames. It is fair to say that the idea was spawned due to demands by German automakers in view of increased requirements that come with electric and autonomous vehicles. However, CiA (CAN-in-Automation), the gatekeeper of the CAN standard, wrote in reference to BMW: "...the German carmaker was not that enthusiastic when the protocol was introduced in 2013."
(Source:  Classical CAN, CAN FD, and CAN XL)

The struggle for SAE comes with the fact that (against popular belief)  CAN FD is not entirely backward-compatible to Classical CAN. According to the SAE J1939/15 Standard (Physical Layer, 250 Kbps, Un-Shielded Twisted Pair): 

CAN controllers are now available which support the newly introduced CAN Flexible Data Rate Frame format (known as “CAN FD”). These controllers, when used on SAE J1939-15 networks, must be restricted to use only the Classical Frame format compliant to ISO 11898-1 (2003).

In contrast, the above referenced CiA post mentions:

SAE develops the J1939-22 network and application layer and the related J1939-17 physical layer. SAE J1939-17 specifies 500 kbit/s in the arbitration phase and 2 Mbit/s in the data phase. Both specifications are intended to be released in 2019.

As a matter of fact,  J1939-17 and J1939-22 are still a work in progress as of today, regardless of limitations due to the Coronavirus situation. The reference to J1939-17 is dated as 2017-06-15, and J1939-22 is dated as 2018-05-09.  And yes, it takes time to develop such standards, but the dates indicate some reluctance to adapt to CAN FD.

CAN-in-Automation attempted an integration of CAN FD into SAE J1939 (Mapping of J1939 to CAN FD), but the result was a mere description of a CAN Bus bridge that uses CAN FD for faster data transfer outside the J1939 network.

CAN XL (Extra-Large Payload)

In June of 2019,  CiA announced its intention to launch yet another flavor of the ever-popular CAN Bus technology, namely CAN XL, which supports an extra-large (XL) payload of up to 2048 bytes. CiA stresses the point that CAN XL was "designed to fill the gap between 100-Mbit/s automotive Ethernet," while CAN XL only supports 10 Mbit/s. 

Almost needless to say, but the development of CAN XL is primarily driven by German automobile manufacturers. It appears, their view of autonomous vehicles does not include Automotive Ethernet.

In regard to backward-compatibility, according to CiA (a feedback to our tweet): "The CAN XL protocol under development in CiA is backwards-compatible to CAN FD (we learnt our lesson)."

As I wrote in a previous post, by the time CAN XL effectively reaches the market, it will be considered obsolete compared to improved and thus much more powerful Ethernet technologies. In the meantime, I will be waiting for CAN-SCFE (Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious).

That being said, I doubt that CAN XL will have any impact on the SAE J1939 protocol for the years to come.


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